This is an easy one to sum up, moisture and rust. One would think if you fill your gun with a pump or a compressor with a moisture separator or air drier we don't get moisture in the valve, wrong.
If your using air to fill your pressure vessel, your pumping moisture into your airgun, even if we were able to pump 100% dry air into the gun, moisture will still find its way in.
I get this all the time, my gun was working fine when I put it away, now it won't hold air.
Many low end and High end very nice airguns have passed my work bench with rusty valves.
The problem is when you mix steel with any kind of rubber and when pressure is introduced, moisture will find its way under the rubber or plastic and stay there. even if you have a 100% steel valve, moisture will find its way into the sealing surface and if you let your gun sit it will rust.
For active shooters this is not an issue. we oil shoot oil shoot, essentially blowing the oil and moisture out of the valve constantly renewing the oil coating the steel. but if we store the same gun, for months or years the moisture will win over and rust the valve.
This steel valve will never seal again Stainless Steel is for the most part the best choice for airgun valves, brass is the most common and aluminum is very popular and easily holds the pressure that modern day airguns are rated for, those three choices are by far the best option for airgun valves.
The bottom line, steel is good in its place and in the airgun valves moist environment steel will rust and is not a good use for steel.
I received an e-mail today asking if the Crosman pellgun Oil was going to be discontinued,
All I could do was laugh, There is no way Crosman will discontinue the Pellgun Oil, it is some of the best stuff on the market, I have been rebuilding airguns for more then 35 years and pellgun oil has been there right with me.
Pellgun oil even found its way to the firearm bench and some of the guys love it, some say it make there Colt full size slide smoothest its ever been.
Also I have a Crosman 150 since new and the only oil it has ever had is Pellgun Oil, its still going strong today.
If I didn't find a Crosman 150c, the 150 would still be my go to pistol, love them Crosman 150 pistols.
If you hear anything about Crosman or a rumors about Crosman, give Crosman a call and ask for parts, here is there number
Crosman Corporation 800-724-7486
There some of the best folks ever. and never afraid to tell the truth.
By myself I use about 1 tin of pellets each day, testing, shooting, target practice and hunting, to top it off there are 4 of us here, we go through a lot of pellets.
The pellet I like best for 22 caliber is the Daisy Precision Max Wad Cutter, It seems to fit everything I shoot and test including the Crosman 600, When I rebuild the Crosman 600 the Daisy Precision Max Wad Cutter works flawlessly.
Anyway to buy them on line I get them for $2.95 plus shipping of $11.00 they come in a roll of 6, and online if you buy 5 you get one free, BIG DEAL, that is a total of $29.53 that is a lot of money for a little pellet.
I called around found a local dealer willing to order the Daisy Precision Max Wad Cutters, the price $3.65 per tin. total $21.90, That is a savings of $7.63.
Online dealers are not doing you any favors unless they charge you street price with free shipping...
Call around find a street dealer that will order for you and save your money, for us that is saving hundreds of dollars each year.
Yes it’s been a long winter, and it’s not over yet and were well into March.
I Never pass on a day out when it comes to airguns even if its 5 degrees outside and you must get up at to get there early to find all the good deals.
Today is proof of that, I found a Crosman 150c very nice chrome 150c no wood box and un-screwing the cap will be a pain in the ass. No matter, still a nice gun.
Also from the same table, Sheridan H Series,, but wait,,,,, all the black finish is gone and the brass is polished, it’s not a pure collectable,, what for it,
And Benjamin 137, yes yes all the black finish is gone off this one too.
But wait there is one more, found a Benjamin Sheridan C9 Racine WI 20 caliber.
Ok here is what we’ve been waiting for, the lot of them for $35.00 bucks, that’s less then $10.00 bucks each, what a great find.
All this because I saw an early Sheridan cleaning rod sitting on the table and a simple question, “any guns to go with this rod?”
I know there not original finish, that’s OK I’m not anal, you will hear guys call these old guns worthless or not worth having because of the condition, and on the other side you will here there rare and hard to find, the bottom line,,,,,,,,
These old guns are a hoot to have around, fun to look at, fun to shoot, and when the Grandkids come over let them have at it, shoot away boys great old guns.
Don’t let one of those old snobs steer you away from a great old find just because it's not fresh like new in a box, if you do leave one behind, one of them old anal snobs will come out of the closet pick it up all the while laughing that you did not.
O-ya all these guns shoot, the 150 kicks like a 22 short, the 137 pops like a bb gun but gets the pellet out there, the Sheridan H is one hell-of-a pumper 6 pumps is all it takes and about all one can pump with this old beast, I bet at 8 pumps and it will shoot just a strong as the rifle. and the last great find of the day, aBenjamin Sheridan C9 Racine it pumps great shoot great and drives them pellets hard, what a happy day.
In-house sellers are multiple people that are owners of, or members of a forum with a common goal to jack the price of there inventory or to degrade items to lower the price so they can purchase quality airguns at under market value.
Also I would like to say:
Price guides are not current and will never be up to date at best they will be 1 to 2 years behind. And there main function is to sell the book and or to manipulate market value for the same reason as listed above.
Automotive oil is specifically designed for internal combustion engines not pump tubes, pressure chambers and valves.
Engine oil as it ages does a thing called chemical break down, it also collects moisture and when you combine automotive oil, moisture and pressure a thing called infusion happens and its not good for your AIRGUN.
When someone poured automotive oil into a cup, looking at it the dumb ass thinks, that should work in my AIRGUN, Sure it will work but it collects moisture and starts to degrade from the time the genie is let out of the bottle.
Automotive oil in airgun pressure chambers, pump tubes and valves react with air, moisture and a small amount of combustion, the end result, oxidation. Airguns can generate enough pressure to generate combustion and combustion combined with automotive oil and additives designed for automobiles will also produce acidic compounds, this is not good for your gun or the seals inside your airgun.
I have guns come in all the time with leaking valves, have a look
MMMM. Good looking oil.
Use Airgun Oil not some backyard weekend concoction. Your gun will perform better and last longer.
If anyone tells you, it’s OK to use automotive oil in your airgun, Walk away because they don’t know what there talking about.
The valve above was rebuilt with only a lathe cut seal to replace the oil softened rubber seal. Proper airgun oil will give this valve another
P-Rod is the dam dumbest name I have ever heard. It reminds me of Grandma yelling, Johnny aim that P-Rod and hit the toilet this time and quit making a mess all over the floor.
Or Get that P-Rod out of here you creep. Aww your P-Rods not working today, Your getting old you better take a blue pill if you want that P-Rod to work. Who was the dumb-ass that came up with that name?
Here its official, I say the name P-Rod is one dumb ass nick name.
The guy that came up with the name p-rod is no better the an over educated dumb ass with an 8 year collage education flipping burgers at Mc Donald’s thinking this job sucks, I should go back to school to see if I can do better.
Crosman 2260 Trigger Mod (Where Did It Come From?)
This gun the Crosman 160 was made in 1962-1971 at that time Crosman implemented the sear engagement set screw and the over travel set screw as well as a trigger compression spring screw this indeed did make a nicely adjustable trigger. For what ever reason Crosman stopped using the set up but in the carry-over to the 2260 the trigger housing retained the same mold configuration allowing the ability to drill and tap the trigger housing converting the housing back to its forefathers configuration allowing the 2260 & Discovery to have the same adjustments as the Crosman 160.
I’ve been asked about the Crosman 1377, 1322, and the Crosman 2289 lever pivot pinSome of in uninformed call it a pump pin.
I need to make this especially clear, for the owners of the Crosman Classic phase 1 and phase 2.
The Crosman lever pivot pin must be the sug fitting stock pin or a snug fitting roll pin if not you will damage your prize airgun.
The idea of the roll pin serves 2 uses
to hold the gun together
as a pivot point for the pump arm (lever)
The reason behind the roll pin is to keep the movement both rotation as well as forward, backward, up and down from taking place on the pump tube.
When the pivot pin moves it creates lateral forces on the pump tube eventually making the round pin hole oblong rendering the pump tube useless.
The only movment you want is on the pump lever rotating on the lever pin, there should be no movment on the tube.
Granted the roll pin is unsightly and a pain in the butt, but it gives as close as you can get to even secure pressure and prevents all movement on the tube saving the gun from unwanted damage.
Yes this is less then perfect but your gun will last a long time.
Our advise on the phase 1 and phase 2 is to keep the stock lever pivot pin if it has a tight fit, but, if you replace the stock lever pivot pin because of wear or loss you should dump the after market lever pivot pin as they allow movement between the pin and tube. Install the ever dreaded roll pin giving you a tight movement free pin; your beloved old Crosman will appreciate it.
If you must have an after market lever pivot pin be certain there is a snug fit between the pin and the pump tube then keep the pin well lubricated between the linkage and pin.
I’ve been seeing a lot about Benjamin discovery and marauder modification
And for the most part like what I see.
But What I’m confused about is when it’s posted in a the post “I AM THE FIRST”
You know what I’m talking about the prima donna’s that think there better then everyone else by copying a pre-made item slapping a hole or 2 in a new location and calling it there own, brag about what they copied then order parts from the manufacture to complete the patent infringed creation and calling it there own,, this is a JOKE.
Crosman seems to be the target of a few patent infringed creations my guess is the only reason they let it go is because of there good nature and extreme support of the hobby.
I can’t remember where I read it but somewhere someone was making an exact copy of Crosmans sear spring adjuster and in the add it was posted (this is the same exact same spring crosman uses) What a JOKE and 1 hell of a mode,, we call this the exact copy mod or better termed,,, what a joke..
Some custom builders get on the phone and order parts from manufactures then mix and match stock parts sometimes to custom made parts and sometimes not but the end result is a custom build airgun that most of the time exceeds the performance of many stock factory builds…
Bootleg parts Part 2
Breech builders and those that copy them
Even I am guilty of this, which is why you don’t see a price on our webpage for the 5.5 or the 11.2 there a close copy of the crooked barn & RJ Machine breech and we dont sell them.
OK,, I know we make ours out of brass crooked barn is aluminum and RJ Machine is steel but a copy is still a copy.
We have too much respect for the creativity of others and ourselves to copy the breech make it out of brass and call it our own and put a price on it we dont do that.
The Riser Breech was a creation of RJ Machine the Crosman forum and it members, weeks passed with hot discussion on the New Crosman Forum about a Riser Breech and after weeks hmm months,,,, RJ Machine pulled through and supplied a breech that was in demand,
Now you can find copy’s being made without regard or credit to the designer. But we all know where the breech and the design came from.
Once a part is made no mater what it is be it a breech or a complete gun it is nothing to take it to a machinist and say make me 50 of these, out come the calipers and pencil crunch some numbers into the keyboard a week later you got parts.
I’ve seen this done with complete airguns as-well you see them listed as Custom Home Made airguns but cut for cut there the same as the gun that was painstakingly measured and used to copy, I like to call these Custom Home Made Copy’s of someone else’s work.
And Copy of RJ Machine Riser Breech sells for $110.00 and more.
The Crooked barn breech is one of my favorite breeches; http://www.crookedbarn.com/ Not necessarily the Crooked barn breech but the shape, it’s the hexagon I like so much, Crooked barn make there breechs out of aluminum, not necessarily the best choice, none the less our 5.5 looks like the Crooked barn breech and looks like it’s a copy therefore not appropriate to sell as our own, we could grind on it a bit but it would still look like the CB breech,
admitted there are only a few basic shapes on the shelf and if your going to make breeches its easy to grab a piece of material off the shelf and cut away with the end result a look alike, shorter longer taller thinner a copy is a copy.
Crooked barn breeches are machined on the top ours are not, I like the whole look, still
The 5.5 looks like a copy, small changes to a product doesn’t mean it’s not a copy.
If you look around you will see others copying the CB Breech and others with small changes then call it there own, again small changes to a product doesn’t mean it’s not a copy.
I like this Attorney he explains it well see paragraph 3 and 4
Even though he is talking about copyright the correlation between copyright and ones creations relate, its called derivative work.
Or Offshoot, Unoriginal, Imitative. COPY
Here we go again I have had the pleasure of hearing it again from another non creative blood sucking leach and I quote
” I think if someone comes out with a similar item made from different material, or a better price. That's not a copy it's an adaptation. Filling a void with a product is a service to everyone that wants one even if it is a copy.” “Charles Mellon”
This shows why patent laws are need.
What this non thinker uncreative leach is saying,
Someone can do all the research and development build a finished product of the finest material then he the (uncreative leach) can come in and make it with different material and it’s not a copy it's an adaptation filling a void.
This is an attempt at making himself feel good about not having the ability to create and making it OK in his own mind to COPY Updated Friday May 28th 2010
Its late Ill try to get to more of, on an earlier note but at a later date
Airgun Retailer Reviews Or Just Another Sales Pitch
If an airgun dealer (Airgun Retailer) has an airgun related item to sell it is in there best interest to advertise there inventory in a favorable fashion to generate more sales.
If the airgun retailer invests $10,000.00 into airgun inventory then they review the $10,000.00 inventory in an unfavorable way there cutting there own throat.
You will never hear Ford say Chevy has a better car or Crosman saying Gamo is a better Gun.
Hell generic ice cream manufactures claim there $3.00 pint ice cream is better or the same as Ben & Jerry’s.
If an airgun retailer has a vested interested and employs a “professional” to write an airgun review you can bet it’s geared entirely towards the sale of that particular item be it a good item or not.
Airgun manufactures claim and over state the velocity to generate more sales we all know this to be a fact, the same goes for Airgun Retailers/professional Airgun reviews all geared to boost sales and there bottom line.
That’s why we say
Airgun Retailer Reviews ARE Just Another Sales Pitch
When the airgun dealer charges you extra money to test the airgun there selling
When the airgun dealer charges you extra money to test the airgun there selling to insure you don’t get a lemon you know the state of the airgun manufacturer has become less then par. and the quality of the dealer is in question.
If the airgun dealer is not sure of the quality of the product there selling, it would seem its time to find a dealer that knows what there selling.
When did it become acceptable for a retailer to charge the buyer to test a gun they sell? Any reputable airgun dealer with quality service in mind will inspect each and every gun they sell before the sale, this not only insures the customer receives the best quality for the money but a customer in the future.
There is no way you or I should have to pay for extra testing by the dealer to insure we receive a safe & fully operational airgun, what in the hell happen customer service.
Airgun dealers are finding any and every way possible to suck/rip each and every of your/my hard earned dollar when selling there goods.
It’s my opinion there should be no guess work when selling a possibility dangerous item, it should be fully tested and functioning before it hits the box without an extra $10.00 dealer inspection charge.
If the gun you buy is not up to par send it back at dealer cost. If they don’t except returns on defective guns at there cost find another dealer.
There are dozens of dealers if not hundreds. Nothing special about a retailer, I guarantee you airgun dealers want your money more then you want there gun, get the best deal you can, big box stores for the cheaper guns there you will find the best deal and return policy.
Be leery of an airgun retailer who wants to charge you extra to make sure you get a good gun from there inventory.
Using heavy pellets & possible damage in springers (updated)
I have been asked several times, will shooting heavy pellets damage my spring powered airgun?
The answer is simple, No Way, What fool has thought this one up?
I have no idea where this nonsense began but it is just that, non-sense.
Springs in springers will break, but the damage is not the cause of using heavy pellets, it’s poor material and workmanship in the gun and spring.
I have seen substandard mainsprings as well as springs that are too hard and brittle, these springs will have premature failures and best if avoided.
The main concern of damage caused by pellet weight or size would be pellets of the incorrect size (too small)
My second concern would be pellets that are too light, this allows the piston to slam forward to the end of it's stroke without an air buffer or (back pressure) to cushion the stop of the piston.
Heavier pellets will tend to increase the cushion giving a smoother landing of the piston resulting in less recoil and less jarring of the scope if you use one.
The best advise I can give, when it comes to potentially dangerous equipment is to buy the best you can afford and stay away from Chinese made goods including pellets.
This is a quote from Air Arms
Note: Air Arms recomends the use of a heavy pellet.
"If your rifle is dieseling once in a while this maybe due to a small amount of oil getting into the compression chamber when your have cleaned the barrel and is not a problem. But, continuous dieseling will damage the rifle and must be prevented. Dieseling is caused by the igniting of oil or grease in the compression chamber or the barrel and can damage the piston seal.
If your are using a light or loose pellet this can cause the piston to travel to fast and dieseling will occur.
Try using a heavier pellet such as Bisley Magnum or tighter pellet such as Eley Wasp.
If this solves the problem consider changing your brand of pellets. Air Arms pellets work well in all of our range.
When cleaning the barrel or carrying out maintenance make sure that no grease or oil get into the compression chamber and that excess oil is removed from the barrel. After a strip down a small amount of dieseling is normal for say 5 - 10 shots. If your gun continues to diesel have it looked at by Air Arms or a qualified air gun technician."
If you have received advice to use a lighter pellet it would seem its time to find another place to find your advice.
Crosman could have done better if they so desired; but they just took the easy path by dressing up a Chinese doll and called it there own. The Benjamin Super Streak is not a Benjamin, it’s not a Sheridan, it’s not even a Crosman,It is what the Chinese do best, find what sells make a cheap copy of it and sell it to the gullible consumer.
Chinese is Chinese and the reason folks like the Chinese airgun is it has/had a digestible price tag and the price allowed a lot of leeway into the custom airgun world.
I’m sure most of us have done it, taken a $20.00 $50.00 even a $150.00 Chinese airgun and put the works to it, and in the end we have come up with some pretty cool stuff, most of the time we put way too much money into the Shanghai airgun, the true meaning of, (I was Shanghaied) none the less we had the hobby and the enjoyment of triumph by turning a sows ear in to a shooting gem.
That’s what brought the interest to the Chinese airgun world, but now with the Chinese airguns reaching and sometimes surpassing the price of the first rate quality German made guns, to me it seems to kill the desire of owning a Shanghai made airgun, regardless whose name tag is being etched into the wood and steel.
More thoughts on the new Crosman Benjamin Super Streak
Crosman again has taking the easy way out by contracting a Chinese airgun maker to manufacture or modify the new just in time for Christmas Chinese made Benjamin Super Streak. Crosman is looking more and more like an import retailer of Chinese goods and less like an airgun manufacture. Have they lost there mind or just there main idea man, It’s a sad day when a manufacture uses a quality vintage name like (Benjamin Sheridan) and slips in a Chinese re-make. I can hear it now,, We can suck the last bit of the respect out of the Benjamin Sheridan name and laugh all the way to the bank without having to work a single day. No new tooling No Manufacturing, No Ordering, No Labor to worry about, No Electricity cost Hell lets close down the main office move all support to India get a couple low wage earners to package and ship new guns and parts and forget about it. This Company seems to have lost all of its company pride and dignity, selling out to the lowest Chinese bidder. It seems that with a little ingenuity something like the evolution of the Crosman 2240 into the 2300S and the 2300T. The same could have been done with the legacy and it too could have been taken to the next level of fine American made airguns.
Crosman needs to watch there ass or one day the Chinese will make a move on them just like the Japanese did in the automotive industry and start opening airgun manufacturing plants here in the States.
We will then truly have an aggressive airgun manufacturing plant here in the USA it just won’t be Crosman Benjamin or Sheridan and the only competition they will have will be Air force .